Qwen 3.8 27B vs Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B
Side-by-side VRAM requirements, benchmark scores, and GPU compatibility for local AI inference.
Quick verdict
Qwen 3.8 27B is more hardware-efficient: it needs 19.0 GB at its Q4_K_M build vs 28.6 GB for Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B's Q4_K_M, fitting on 86 GPUs natively. Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B is a Mixture of Experts model: it has 30B total parameters but only 3B are active per token, making inference faster than its total size suggests.
Analysis
Qwen 3.8 27B and Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B are both August 2026 agentic releases, Nemotron on the 11th, Qwen on the 14th, built around the same goal of keeping a KV cache small enough for a single consumer GPU, reached through opposite means. Qwen is dense, with most of its attention layers swapped for linear attention; Nemotron is sparse MoE, with most of its layers swapped for Mamba-2 state-space blocks that skip attention entirely. The more consequential difference is how much of each model actually computes per token: all 27B of Qwen's parameters fire on every token, only 3B of Nemotron's 30B do.
Qwen 3.8 27B keeps 16 of its 64 layers as Gated Attention (4 KV heads, 256 head dim), the only layers that accumulate a KV cache; the other 48 run Gated DeltaNet, linear attention with a fixed-size recurrent state. Nemotron 3.5 Lightning is sparser on two axes at once: it's MoE, 128 routed experts, 6 active plus 1 shared per token, so only 3B of its 30B parameters are active on any token, and only 6 of its 52 layers keep a cache at all (2 KV heads, 128 head dim, a quarter of Qwen's per-layer width), the rest split between 26 Mamba-2 layers and 20 MoE feed-forward layers with nothing to cache. Qwen's native context window ends at 262,144 tokens, a quarter of Nemotron's 1,048,576; restricted to the range both can reach, Qwen's KV cache is 17.2 GB against Nemotron's 1.6 GB, an order of magnitude smaller for Nemotron even though Qwen already replaced most of its own layers with linear attention, because Nemotron caches roughly a ninth of its layers (6 of 52) at a quarter of Qwen's per-layer width. Add each model's Q4_K_M weights and the full picture is 37.7 GB total for Qwen 3.8 27B against 30.3 GB for Nemotron 3.5 Lightning, the difference between needing a 40 GB-class card and just fitting a 32 GB one. Nemotron's real Q4_K_M file is 25.5 GB, so it does not fit a 24 GB card at this context either. On the two benchmark fields both models report, Qwen leads by a wide margin: GPQA Diamond 89.2 against 75.57, and Terminal-Bench 2.1 73.0 against 23.46, both explicitly the 2.1 suite on each vendor's own model card, so the comparison holds even though the two scores come from different labs' own harnesses. NVIDIA isn't chasing benchmark leadership with Nemotron's 3B-active design in the first place; the pitch is throughput, and NVIDIA's own figures claim up to 4x higher output and 30% faster task completion against similarly-sized open models, the tradeoff that routing through a fraction of the parameter count buys. Licensing differs too: Nemotron ships under NVIDIA's own OpenMDW-1.1, Qwen under the more widely recognized Apache 2.0 with no usage restrictions. Modality splits as well: Qwen 3.8 27B accepts image and video input where Nemotron is text-only. Tooling favored neither model cleanly at launch: Qwen 3.8 27B shipped without an Ollama tag, and Nemotron with only native NVFP4, FP8, and BF16 checkpoints for vLLM, SGLang, and TensorRT-LLM. Both have since gained Ollama tags (qwen3.8:27b and nemotron-3.5-lightning:30b) and Nemotron has community GGUFs, so llama.cpp and Ollama are now options for either.
Bottom line: For quality, multimodal input, or a workload that stays under 262,144 tokens, Qwen 3.8 27B is the stronger default: it leads both shared benchmarks by a wide margin and needs no exotic runtime to try. Nemotron 3.5 Lightning's case is narrower but real: pick it for throughput-bound agent workloads on a single 32 GB card, NVIDIA's own 4x claim is the entire pitch, or for a context window Qwen simply can't reach, Nemotron's native 1,048,576 tokens is four times Qwen's ceiling.
Active vs. total parameters: dense against sparse MoE
Qwen 3.8 27B is dense, so all of its parameters are active on every token. Nemotron 3.5 Lightning is MoE on top of its Mamba-2 layers, so its active count is a tenth of its total. The gap between the two bars below is what drives Nemotron's throughput claim; it doesn't show up in a benchmark score.
What Qwen's own 262,144-token ceiling costs each model
Qwen 3.8 27B's native context window stops at 262,144 tokens; Nemotron 3.5 Lightning's continues on to 1,048,576. Restricted to the range both models can reach, Nemotron's sparser layer stack keeps its KV cache an order of magnitude smaller than Qwen's, even though Qwen already replaced most of its own layers with linear attention.
KV cache only, at FP16. Weights and activation overhead sit on top of these figures.
At 262,144 tokens, the most Qwen 3.8 27B supports, Qwen's KV cache is 17.2 GB against Nemotron 3.5 Lightning's 1.6 GB. Add each model's Q4_K_M weights and the full picture is 37.7 GB total for Qwen 3.8 27B against 30.3 GB for Nemotron 3.5 Lightning, the difference between needing a 40 GB-class card and just fitting a 32 GB one. Nemotron's real Q4_K_M file is 25.5 GB, so it does not fit a 24 GB card at this context either.
VRAM at each quantization (8k context)
| Quant | Qwen 3.8 27B | Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|
| FP32 | 121.6 GB | 147.6 GB | -18% |
| BF16 | 61.1 GB | 73.8 GB | -17% |
| FP16 | 61.1 GB | 73.8 GB | -17% |
| Q8_0 | 32.8 GB | 39.3 GB | -17% |
| Q6_K | 25.4 GB | 38.5 GB | -34% |
| Q5_K_M | 22.1 GB | 30.3 GB | -27% |
| Q4_K_M | 19.0 GB | 28.6 GB | -33% |
| Q3_K_M | 15.2 GB | 22.3 GB | -32% |
| Q2_K | 12.1 GB | 21.2 GB | -43% |
| NVFP4 | 15.7 GB | 24.3 GB | -35% |
Diff is Qwen 3.8 27B relative to Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B. Green = lower VRAM (fits more GPUs).
Model specifications
| Spec | Qwen 3.8 27B | Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B |
|---|---|---|
| Org | Alibaba | NVIDIA |
| Parameters | 27B | 30B |
| Architecture | Dense | MoE (3B active) |
| Context | 256k tokens | 1024k tokens |
| Modalities | text, vision, video | text |
| License | Apache 2.0 | OpenMDW-1.1 |
| Commercial | Yes | Yes |
| Released | 2026-08-14 | 2026-08-11 |
| GPUs (native) | 86 / 121 | 68 / 121 |
Benchmark scores
| Benchmark | Qwen 3.8 27B | Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B |
|---|---|---|
| GPQA Diamond | 89.2 | 75.6 |
| LiveCodeBench | 90.3 | N/A |
| SWE-bench Pro | 61.7 | N/A |
| Terminal-Bench 2.1 | 73.0 | 23.5 |
Green = higher score (better). N/A = not yet available. ~ = inherited from a base model, not independently reported for that release itself.
GPUs that run only Qwen 3.8 27B(18)
- NVIDIA RTX 508016 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 5070 Ti16 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 5060 Ti 16GB16 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 408016 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 4070 Ti SUPER16 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 4060 Ti 16GB16 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada20 GB
- AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT16 GB
- AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT20 GB
- AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE16 GB
- +8 more
GPUs that run only Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B(0)
Every GPU that runs Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B also runs Qwen 3.8 27B.
GPUs that run both natively(68)
- NVIDIA RTX 509032 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 409024 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 309024 GB
- NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti24 GB
- NVIDIA B300 288GB288 GB
- NVIDIA B200 180GB180 GB
- NVIDIA H200 141GB141 GB
- NVIDIA H100 80GB80 GB
- NVIDIA A100 80GB80 GB
- NVIDIA A100 40GB40 GB
- NVIDIA L40S48 GB
- NVIDIA RTX A600048 GB
- +56 more GPUs run both
Which should you use?
- • You have limited VRAM: it's a smaller model needing 19.0 GB vs 28.6 GB
- • You need chain-of-thought reasoning
- • You need vision/image understanding
- • It's the newer release (2026-08-14 vs 2026-08-11); check the benchmark table above for what actually improved
- • You want maximum capability and have a 29 GB+ GPU
- • You want fast inference: MoE only activates 3B params per token
- • Long context matters: it supports 1024k tokens vs 256k
Frequently asked questions
- Which is better, Qwen 3.8 27B or Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B?
- Qwen 3.8 27B has 27B parameters vs 30B for Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B, so Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B is the larger model. Qwen 3.8 27B is more hardware-efficient, needing 19.0 GB at its Q4_K_M build vs 28.6 GB for Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B's Q4_K_M. Qwen 3.8 27B runs on more GPUs natively (86 vs 68).
- How much VRAM does Qwen 3.8 27B need vs Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B?
- At 8k context, Qwen 3.8 27B needs approximately 19.0 GB of VRAM at its Q4_K_M build, while Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B needs 28.6 GB at its Q4_K_M build. At the largest build each ships, Qwen 3.8 27B requires 61.1 GB (FP16) vs 73.8 GB (FP16) for Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B.
- Can you run Qwen 3.8 27B on the same GPUs as Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B?
- Yes, 68 GPUs can run both natively in VRAM, including NVIDIA RTX 5090, NVIDIA RTX 4090, NVIDIA RTX 3090. However, 18 GPUs can run Qwen 3.8 27B but not Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B, and no GPU can run Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B without also fitting Qwen 3.8 27B.
- What is the difference between Qwen 3.8 27B and Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B?
- Qwen 3.8 27B has 27B parameters (dense) with a 256k context window. Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B has 30B parameters (3B active, MoE) with a 1024k context window. Licensing differs: Qwen 3.8 27B is Apache 2.0 while Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B is OpenMDW-1.1.
- Which model fits in 24 GB of VRAM, Qwen 3.8 27B or Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B?
- Only Qwen 3.8 27B fits in 24 GB, at its Q4_K_M build (19.0 GB). Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B needs 28.6 GB at Q4_K_M, requiring a larger GPU.
- Which handles long context better, Qwen 3.8 27B or Nemotron 3.5 Lightning 30B-A3B?
- At 262,144 tokens, the most Qwen 3.8 27B supports, Qwen's KV cache is 17.2 GB against Nemotron 3.5 Lightning's 1.6 GB. Add each model's Q4_K_M weights and the full picture is 37.7 GB total for Qwen 3.8 27B against 30.3 GB for Nemotron 3.5 Lightning, the difference between needing a 40 GB-class card and just fitting a 32 GB one. Nemotron's real Q4_K_M file is 25.5 GB, so it does not fit a 24 GB card at this context either.